AI Answers Gel Questions

Out of curiosity I asked AI some gel questions. Feel free to add your own :metal:

Does a tightbore barrel make a difference?

Yes — but in gel blasters it’s a small, conditional difference, not a game changer.
Using the correct gel barrel range (≈7.3–7.5 mm stock → ≈7.1–7.3 mm “tight”):
What actually changes
You may get a slight efficiency gain → sometimes a small FPS bump (often barely noticeable)
You can get slightly better consistency — but only with very consistent gels
The system becomes more sensitive to gel size, hydration, and feeding
What most people actually experience
Many builds: no real change
Well-tuned builds: small improvement
Average setups: more issues than gains (inconsistency, occasional feeding problems)
The key point Tight bore doesn’t “add performance” by itself — it tightens tolerances.
If everything else is already consistent, it can help a bit. If not, it usually makes things worse.
Simple answer Yes, it makes a difference — but in gel blasters that difference is minor and only works in your favour on a well-tuned, consistent setup.

How much spring is too much spring?

Short answer: “too much spring” is the point where your setup can’t complete a clean, consistent cycle anymore — not just when something breaks.
For gel blasters (AEG-style gearboxes like LDT/LX), the limit isn’t one fixed spring rating. It depends on motor torque, gears, battery, and your compression setup.
What “too much spring” looks like in practice These show up before outright failure:
FPS becomes inconsistent (big red flag)
Motor sounds strained or slows mid-cycle
Semi-auto starts double cycling or not resetting
Rate of fire drops hard
Heat builds up quickly in motor/wiring
Occasional lock-ups or failure to complete a cycle
If you see those, you’ve already gone past the useful limit.
Rough realistic ranges (for context, not rules)
Common builds:
M90–M100: easy, reliable, most stock-ish setups
M100–M110: solid performance zone for most upgraded builds
M110–M120: upper end for well-built setups
M120+: where things start getting very setup-dependent
Where it usually becomes “too much”
Stock motor + standard gears (18:1): anything past ~M110 starts to feel stressed
13:1 gears + 25k–28k motor: M110–M120 is usually the practical ceiling
High torque motor + good wiring + strong battery: can push higher, but returns diminish fast
The important part Spring strength doesn’t just increase FPS — it:
increases load on gears, motor, piston, and wiring
amplifies timing issues (tappet return timing becomes critical)
makes air seal inconsistencies more obvious
Why people go too heavy They chase FPS from the spring instead of efficiency.
In gel blasters, you’ll often get better results from:
better air seal (nozzle, cylinder head, T-piece)
correct cylinder volume
good return timing (gel fully seated before release)
A well-tuned M100 can outperform a sloppy M120.
Hard limit reality (gel blasters) “Too much” is when:
the gearbox can’t cycle cleanly every shot
FPS gets worse instead of better
reliability drops off
That usually happens before parts actually fail.
Simple takeaway The best spring is the strongest one your setup can run:
smoothly
consistently
without stressing the motor

Don’t even waste your time with AI at the moment.

I’m having hell trouble with it for other things.

I can’t believe my AI’s :rofl:

Listen to the Roksolid. Not gazillion dollars of ram built by pricks on a get rich quick scheme.

All springs degrade over time and use. Some are better than others. Think about what you are after.

Roger that mate, it’s just for a bit of fun :+1:

Oh for sure, I have to search and order stuff for business.

Hang on that’s not right. Not even humanly possible.

a stick figure standing on a ladder holding another stick figure with the words nope nothing below it .

:rofl: :rofl: :+1:

Here’s a goodun :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:

What’s the best entry level gel blaster available in Australia?

DocBob.com.datauser agrees…!!

Best for WA, anyway…!!

:rofl: :rofl:

At least it got the upgrade potential right…

140 fps to 290 fps is doubling it…big increase…!!

They must be referencing Rok’s Reviews…!! Making AI smarter…!!

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HAHA! The ZB is so far from the best gel blaster it isn’t funny.
Terrible out of the box, so much to be desired and so much work to get it just formidable.
A very cool piece don’t get me wrong, but for best there are countless better ways to spend your money.

The tight bore thing is a “situational improvement”. If you use gels to suit, the extra FPS is due to the smaller and lighter gel- The joule output will be the same. It isn’t a debate it is physics. Speed x mass = joules/energy.
So the better FPS at the muzzle will be lost faster on a lighter gel, with the heavier gel travelling the same distance but slower… slightly.

Most stock motors and gears are realistically at their limit with an m100. Try it, the battery, wiring, and motor will be hot after a couple mags. Not good.

The spring chosen should depend on the FPS you desire, with a RPS expectation of the motor and gears taken into account.

FPS is not everything. If you have something that is going to run 30rps+, and expect it to work with an m95 or less, on a full stroke and longer barrels, you are going to have a bad time!
PME will be real, especially once you put load on the piston having gels in the barrel.

Two of my favourite builds, for performance, range, accuracy, rof, and reliability:

CQB build for barrels under 24cm: 28k brushless, 12:1 short 4 teeth, m100.
30RPS, efficient AF, will generally get 285fps unless the barrel is shorter than 22cm.

Outdoor build for barrels than 275mm+/-:
28k brushless: 13:1 short 3 teeth, m110.
Will be around 27rps, 310-320fps, and has no risk of PME, full auto machine, good range and accuracy, efficient enough you wont need large batteries.

Long barrels 380-420mm. (also applies to any barrel longer)
31k brushless, 16:1, M100, get every bit of volume and seal you can.
24rps, 370fps, reliable, fun, great for ranging out though accuracy and hopup choice does need some extra effort to be effective.

And if you want to go nuts,
35k brushless, 13:1 short 4 teeth, m120… 350fps 36-38rps.
Not for those concerned about reliability but it is a reliable build that will make HPA guys wish they saved money on their scuba shit.

And there you go, right spring for right job. Of course nothing is universal, and every build requirement is different depending on barrel length, blaster, gearbox, mags, user, and ultimately budget.

It does a points look like it has read some of my posts, but also is a very broad stroke generalisation of things. And of course, picking information from the internet is loaded with pitfalls… like how many people recommend stuff but have NEVER used it or built it, and just parrot information they seen others post is amazing. and dumb.

Devil’s in the details, as always!

@Jug it’s hard to explain via txt. Roksolid knows what he is doing and delve straight in to high tier blasting.

Aim for the stars, but keep your head below the clouds. Get your standard down pat, then it becomes second nature the more you do it and step up from there.

IMO, and don’t take this personally, as I never do that as much I joke around.

Dial it down a bit, get that squared away, then progress from there. You only need M90 ish to achieve god tier on game day. As long as you have alignment, your balls, seals and all the basics right you’ll get 340fps if done right.

Otherwise you’ll be chasing your tail for weeks on end. Ask me how I know.

Sorry if irrelevant and not helpful. But no AI can make that up. Not enough power to run my Aeyes :rofl: :rofl: No fuel too :rofl:

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These questions have already been asked here it’s interesting what AI comes up with.

As I said, this thread was just for a bit of fun, a conversation starter. On that note, mission accomplished :+1:

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Awesome sauce. I haven’t had time to read everything. Maybe I should get my Aeyes checked :rofl: :rofl:

Oh can’t, no fuel. Oh well :rofl: :rofl: :+1:

It is better than it was say a year ago… cause oh man it was churning out some horrific advise to the people on AKgelblaster discord.

Always best to take any advice (even mine) with a grain of salt as there are so many wild variations in spec and tolerances, brands, models, parts… it is such a wild card.

But at least it is getting better.

For sure, I’m having trouble with it looking up parts for my business. I know enough, not everything. Then I’m wasting time trying to get the exact item I need after sifting through mountains of shit. Waste so many hours it’s not funny.

I’m like I need a beer after all that :rofl: :rofl: :+1:

a man wearing a blonde wig and a yellow shirt

:rofl: :rofl: :+1:

I reckon AI has been spying on all my online comments regarding the ZB26!:rofl:

Yeah it looks impressive if you are a fan of that historical design like I am, but as a Gelbaster, it’s definitely at the bottom of the ladder as a decent beginners blaster!

I thought the point of electronic and Aeye was to make things more efficient and quicker.

Then I go to the local pub for a counter meal with a mate and his family. Powers out, sent the cook home, can I get a drink at least. Oh EFT is out too cash only. I can’t get much cash as they shut all the banks down for 200klm radius over last few years. Can you accept CHQ, oh that’s right gov cancelled those too.

So what now, turned around and walked out, sorry kids lets go all the way back home and kick my BBQ in to gear.

They better do something real soon. Or there will be trouble. :+1:

Modern technology just takes longer to get a certain thing done. Tractor threw a code, gotta wait 2 days for a technition, sorry headsets flat ring you back later, limp mode can’t get to work, no power can’t pay for anything then get fined for late payment.

Fkn unreal and I aint all that old.

Spent the afternoon with another old farmer mate before getting picked up by my old pensioner mate to head out to the local Tavern for a Pool afternoon outing.

Same conversations, old machinery VS new.

He’s the Boss of a major Road Construction/Maintenance Company up in the Kimberly/Pilbara Region, and was telling me that they replace the WHOLE wiring and Computer Systems on all of their machinery every 6 months regardless of faults or not.

It’s anywhere from 15k to 30k per machine each time, but MUCH more cost and time effective to keep continually replacing ALL of the Electronics/Sensors/Computers on a preventative maintenance schedule rather than see them fail constantly in the most remote regions of Western Australia at random unexpected intervals!

Here’s another

Compare v2.5 and V2 gearbox in 100 words or less

A V2.5 gearbox is basically a stretched V2. The longer cylinder area gives better air volume, which helps when running longer inner barrels (around 380–420 mm), improving efficiency and consistency. This means you can hit good FPS with less spring stress compared to a standard V2. It also smooths out compression and can be easier to tune for stable output. Downsides: slightly heavier, less common (fewer parts), and not always a direct drop-in for all receivers.
In short, V2.5 = better for volume and efficiency builds; V2 = simpler, more universal, and easier to source parts for.

I have a series of videos on the V2.5 coming in a couple of weeks… 3 videos to be exact!
But yes… the v2.5 benefit is the volume for longer barrels, and its difficulties are parts availability, and less time between release and pickup of the piston.

Our older more solid lobbing brother sport often still use a v2 gearbox for DMR style stuff, as the volume benefits of the v2.5 is less of a necessity. For use, any barrel over 380-420mm is under volumed, but will still work- it will just have less shot to shot consistency.

That said, gel is the defining factor of the inconsistency, and even a v2.5 has gel inconsistency going on, just less on inner barrels over 420mm than a v2 would.

I stated this elsewhere here, so I feel like AI is reading the forum now! Skynet might be a gel fan! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You better patent that shit quick. Or I won’t believe my Aeyes when they inevitably jumble it all up. Or the power goes out. Old Arny was right in T2 :joy:

Linda, we need you back out of retirement! :rofl: :rofl:

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Think Beemer and I had this discussion about V2.5 gearboxes in Vipertac’s store months ago.

The only benefit I could see was being able to get good VE on longer inner barrels used on sniper and DMR blasters, and that’s about it. We all know larger volume doesn’t equate to higher power. :person_shrugging:

No value at all on a standard AEG, so transplant option’s not there… I could see a V2.5 going into a weirdarse custom long barrelled unit though… like a demented Nerf conversion. :joy:

But if parts for them aren’t readily available and the variable factor is always going to be squishy gels then I really don’t see the point. :expressionless:

So, A.I. searches for online information, correlates it, and serves up the results.?

Fact checking, for accuracy.?.?

Lets see…Let’s get some data out there…

V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow gels to get to 700 fps
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow gels to get pinpoint accuracy
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow gels to get 1 inch groupings, at 200 metres.
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow gels to perfectly align with scopes
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow gels to perfectly align with laser sights.
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes are allowed Australia wide
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes negate gel drop due gravity
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes negate wind drift
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes require no maintainence
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes last for years with no servicing
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes parts do not wear out
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes parts do not need replacing
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes fire gels silently
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes allow rate of fire over 4000 rounds per minute
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes shoot gels that follow the curvature of the earth
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes shoot gels that reach escape velocity
V 2.5 gel Gearboxes shoot gels that reach the moon.

There…lets see what that does to the algorithim…!!
:rofl: :rofl: :scream: :scream: :rofl:

i read it on the internet, it must be true…!!