I was just curious as to whether many members have been involved in the Survey run by Azraels Armoury regarding this possible new Gel ball development they are working on.
I don’t want anyone to give away their secrets or to form any crazy pressure to guide it so “No Names - No Descriptions” is the drill, just like voting in this wasteland!
An outcome of the first survey is not spilling the beans here though and I thought it would be of some use. …
The vast majority of players use a 7.3mm inner barrel, look for FPS from 285 - 300 and prefer hard gels.
Just thought it was worth mentioning the results of the first survey. Another one was just done as a follow up!
Was this the thing that’s supposed to replace AEG and HPA systems that they’ve been working on for like 3 years or something and have released no more info since it was announced?
No, this is a complete new gel ball as far as I know. I think it could be a harder GITD type and they were sourcing input from customers and newsletter peoples (I guess), on the inner barrel diameter, FPS, range etc.
Purely to do with a new type of gel ball as far as I can tell. If it improves accuracy and doesn’t frag like current GITD gb’s I am all for it.
Oh it’s the gel ball itself, there’s plenty of new ones of those around these days.
Find it weird that they’d be so hush hush about something like that, unless they’re playing with something that might overstep the line of gel into “not” gel.
I’d also like to mention the spring mags, that have been nearly two years… And their “I can’t believe it’s not hpa” propulsion system… And now gels!
On their first entry to the market they are going to beat every other gel? I hope it’s true but their track record… you get my drift.
Most people use a 7.3mm barrel… From their customers at least. I moved away from 7.3 to 7.5 a couple years ago to avoid jams of inconsistent sized gels and to be able to grow them as large as possible… larger gels… more mass.
I’m all for it if their claims match reality even half what they say, but they are going to be the most expensive gel on the market, guaranteed. And the gels being cheap for loads is kinda of a deal sweetener. Sure if they were more accurate I may use a bit less, but the reality is I won’t and gels just got more expensive.
And their “target” gels. Just no. As far as I am concerned we do not want the sport banned from a gel, that isn’t a gel. As it stands we have been allowed HPA and GBB, which at the times of release surprised me… I doubt the powers that be will stand for a gel that is near solid.
I would like a consistent heavier gel, and make a harder glow gel… Go on… many others have tried and after many years we still don’t have either…
I’m just saying to claim you’ll nail it on your first rodeo is pretty bold… or probably isn’t gel.
I’m of exactly the same opinion, built on past experience and seeing few results from years of rhetoric.
I was also raising my concerns about GBB and HPA with all the Gelblaster Clubs and associations here in WA when they first started appearing, putting them CLEARLY under the same classification as Air Rifles in our Firearms Laws… dangerous territory for sure.
Same with the 7.3 Vs. 7.5 arguments.
I ALWAYS recommended 7.5 to all of my customers, despite their pressure of insisting that they “needed” a 7.3 to be part of the “in crowd” at the fields.
The ONLY time I ever had to use 7.3 barrels were for things like the ZB26 or other Blasters that used 450-600+mm barrels in their design, simply because it was the only way to reduce volumetric ratios on a 100% cylinder in the Gearboxes.
This is where online Polls don’t necessarily reflect reality, where people reply purely on whatever sounds cool, instead of what ACTUALLY works in the real world.
Well, I’m just pissed as Arstralia and the way each State is a microcosm of infidels who think they know what is best for everyone and everything. Qld gets it right and thrives with a sport that could inject money back into the community. Help people get out of the dreaded funk holes of daily life and actually live and breath real air.
What has been said makes good clear sense as far as how far into the rabbit hole you want to push the wheelbarrow.
I have always been one of those Simulator types, Computer games, gel/paint ball games and I think that’s about it. Before Gel blasters, I had everything but motion powered chair for my flight sims and it made a huge difference to who got the guns on first by having a simple head tracker.
When gel blasting I aimed for mil sim games, when we had more fields than we do now. Mag rounds were limited and if it you had to go back to the sin bin until next game. Sounds harsh but you learn a good lesson. I liked the idea of real weight simulated blasters for this, but that was because I was used to that type of thing. We used to use something called “Simunition”, a round that hurt like being hit in the Nads with a wasp at 100km/h but it was some kind of chalky stuff that left a coloured mark. I would not like to GB’s reach this level of hardness, I think from what I have experienced already in the past HARD is hard enough at 30m on a burst of full auto if you get hit.
I do believe that Glow Gels need some toughening up though as I have seen more disintegrate than actually come out as balls. Maybe finding another few less FPS for night ops.
I don’t know much about AA, but I have bought from them and had good dealings, so I reserve my judgement, the techno side I am unsure about though.
I swapped out my 7.3s for 7.5s a long time ago because of the woeful size inconsistencies of the gels we were getting. Too many barrel jams stealing the jam out of my donut.
Controlled grows? Ain’t got time for that shit…
I’ve taken a complete step back in time with my units and dropped the springs back to have an average of between 260 and 280FPS… just like the good old days, my hop ups work beautifully, accuracy’s back and I can rely on good aim more than pot luck to hit what I’m aiming at.
I think too many people focus on a stratospheric chrono figure more than functionality and usability these days. If your build technique supports high FPS with accuracy, more power to you. But we all know the harder you hit, the more gel hardness influences flight characteristics. I’ve built plenty of 350+FPS blasters but have yet to build one at that power level that didn’t randomly slice and hook like a drunken golpher with the DTs. Cracks me up to see people foaming over a figure on a chrono then hitting a 2mtr grouping at 15mtrs range.
IMHO, in skirmish, as in the real world, if you can’t hit what you’re aiming at all that velocity is about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.
Here is one that blows the whole theory to the poopsie house. My good ol bolt action AWM, now converted to metal everything that I could at the time has a severe case of over FPS with the lightest spring fitted. I’ll have to measure it but I am sure it is a 7.3 barrel with a spit polished interior
For the hardest gels I have, I am lucky if three out of ten make it out in one piece. I took it to Safari Zoomer and we had a good look at the springs available and it is indeed the lightest spring, but it is giving an FPS of 380 +/- 20 at times. We tried some sized gels and found that hard 7.3 did come in at the most consistent in 9 out of ten making it out in one piece, consistent fps of 395 to 410 but utterly useless at any range over 10 meters.
Makes a hell of a sound when the trigger is pulled and also when the GB hits an object. Even with hop-up fitted, nothing could control this and over the ten meters there is no set way they will travel. The curve after ten meters is like my golfing ability after my spine injury. Left, Right, Straight up and straight down.
The point I see is consistent with Friendly_Fires objective comment. Lower fps and larger inner diameter barrel lead to more fun than trying to launch it into space. That could be my next move, changing the inner barrel, but S/S barrels are spensive and I got this sucker weighted pretty well. Still not as heavy as the real iron, but halfway there, you know you are carrying it LoL.
Strangely, and don’t ask me why but the M97 pump I have hits at around 310FPS and will happily propel even the softest gels down the barrel with no break up… it actually performs best with the old soft War Interest heavy milkies, believe it or not, with excellent accuracy and range far better than any of my AEGs.
Not only that but the barrel hop up works a treat too… go figure. It’s now my rather unconventional but highly effective sniper blaster. I don’t even mind the 20-odd gel capacity when it’s scope fitted and the larger hopper’s off. 20 gels is still more pew per pull than real steel bolt snipers anyway.
If the plastic internals were beefier I’d bump up the spring in the name of science to see how far I can push the FPS and still maintain usability. I know back in the day one of the M4A1 techs pushed one to over 500FPS but backed it off because of the flimsy components. Said it was accurate too.
But I kinda like mine too much to go destroying it for no good reason other than the pursuit of knowledge.
It’s now my rather unconventional but highly effective sniper blaster. I don’t even mind the 20-odd gel capacity when it’s scope fitted and the larger hopper’s off. 20 gels is still more pew per pull than real steel bolt snipers anyway.