Non Imitation Gel Blasters

Just found out Amazon will be getting some in at the end of the month

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That first one will probably be an imitation firearm, but the rest have a solid cance.

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Have the uzi, cyberpunk is on its way😅

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me, emailing the Victorian Police firearms department asking whether this blaster is legal due to it not violating appearance laws

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firearms department: we do not issue permits for imitation firearm gel blasters
me: no yeah i know but like is it an imitation firearm?
firearms department: we do not issue permits for imitation firearm gel blasters
me: no yeah no i know but like…what exactly is that saying is it an imitation firearm or not?

find out the answer next episode on i am very bad at speaking legalese.

Okay, well. That’s conclusive.

ALL gel blasters, imitation and toy, are now outlawed in Victoria.

When did they change the regulations?

Sometime in the last 3 months. If I had to guess, probably Jan 1.

I sent an email to them on November of last year asking about the Golden Eagle after all, and they responded like normal that time.

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At no point in that email response did they say toy non-replica ones are illegal. Or that the one you asked about is illegal.

Their response is beating around the bush like a politician and not actually answering your question.

Yes, gel blasters are illegal in Victoria. We already know this.

A court would not deem a Gelstorm to meet their definition of a gel blaster.

An AAP however, it uses gas, so that may fall under reason 3 below.

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Current information from here: Firearms licensing

An imitation firearm is a device that could be reasonably mistaken for an operable firearm. However, the device is not designed or has not been adapted to discharge a shot, or a bullet or other missile by the expansion of gases in the device due to:

  • the ignition of strongly combustible materials, or by compressed air or other gases, whether stored in the device in pressurised containers or;
  • produced in the device by mechanical means, and is not capable of being made to do so.

Regulation and licence requirements

Imitation firearms are regulated by the Control of Weapons Act 1990. To display, possess, carry, use, import or sell an imitation firearm in Victoria, a Chief Commissioner of Police Prohibited Weapons Approval or a Governor in Council Exemption is required.

Gel Blasters

LRD know that there are a wide variety of designs and types of gel blasters available on the market. Depending on the type of gel blaster, it may have been classified as either:

This means gel blasters and similar devices have been classified in Victoria without a physical inspection of each device.

We have determined that gel blasters and similar types of devices, are classified as imitation firearms in Victoria if they have the appearance of a firearm.

This means that:

  1. A gel blaster that has the appearance of an operable firearm and can be reasonably mistaken for a firearm are now regulated as an imitation firearm in accordance with section 3 of the Control of Weapons Act 1990
  1. A gel blaster that does not have the appearance of an operable firearm and couldn’t be mistaken for a firearm are now classified as a toy firearm and not regulated
  1. A gel blaster that has been adapted or manufactured to operate like a firearm (whether it looks like a firearm or not) is now regulated as a firearm under the Firearms Act 1996.

Gel balls are not subject to any regulation as they are not regarded to be ammunition as defined under section 3 of the Firearms Act 1996.

We currently don’t issue approvals for gel blasters to any individual or organisation. There remains no lawful reason to possess or use them in Victoria.

This decision not only removes any ambiguity surrounding the regulations around gel blasters, it also allows our members to appropriately enforce legislation. This means there is no need to physically inspect each device when an item is seized. The exception to this is when the gel blaster appears to have been modified to operate like a firearm.

  • Toy firearms

Toy firearms are items that resemble firearms, but do not have the functionality of working firearms. They are manufactured as a plaything or for providing amusement; and their method of operation (if applicable) falls outside the definition of a firearm in the Firearms Act 1996. Their appearance cannot be mistaken for a working firearm by a reasonable person due to their shape and size; their overall colour which is not normally associated with a working firearm (e.g. fluorescent, or multi coloured); and the materials used in their manufacture create the immediate impression that the device cannot be functional.

Examples of toy firearms

Water pistols and foam dart guns that are made of transparent or florescent plastic/wood, and that are smaller or larger than working firearms are examples of toys.

Regulation and licence requirements

There is no regulation or licence requirements to purchase, possess, carry and use toy firearms in Victoria.

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In summary,

Banned in Vic:

  • Anything that looks realistic (An M4 painted in bright colours still looks realistic, as does an M4 with an alien blaster body kit over the top of it)
  • Anything that functions realistically (eg. Gas blowback)

Allowed:

  • AEGs like Gelstorm
  • Manual pistols like Penis blaster
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That’s certainly much clearer legal definition than the lazy reply email reply afforded to @JazzyWard :+1:

Only in Victoria is a drill considered a firearm

Only if it recoils when you pull the trigger. :wink:

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If it makes noise, it a gun. Gun bad.

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does that mean, Vic police, can carry Ryobi cordless drills, as sidearms.?.?

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Any updates on Gelstorm’s new upcoming blaster?

The rifle thing? I wanna see whats inside.

Looks too dangerous.